No Bible? Know Christ. APRIL 1, 2019 BY KEITH GILES 7 COMMENTSPublished April 14, 2019
7 COMMENTS in response to a shared post:
No Bible? Know Christ.
APRIL 1, 2019 BY KEITH GILES
William L Ingram •
Once again Keith I must give you a lot of credit for going where so few dare, or more correctly are even aware of. So many Bible indoctrinated Christians fear the very Truth that you are sharing with them! The early Christian followers of the Apostles and Disciples and their converts were won over by the spoken spirit filled words of the enlightened. They were Truth hungry Souls who recognized the wisdom and love of our Heavenly Father as revealed by the life and words of Jesus before they were ever written. Each Blessed Soul could hear the voice of our Savior and Shepard, which resonated with the spirit of God within them. The same has always been True. The written word points to, frames, and illustrates beautifully the love of God for us all – but it is the Living Word of God, as revealed in Jesus, the Christ, who we must come to Know in our hearts, to love God and His Divine Purpose for human life.
You know what? I like this. This is my first time reading the Bible – all of it – and I find it deeply problematic in so many ways, it’s hard to imagine anyone thinking it’s all talking about the same religion (there are at least three religions described, by my count). It’s history is sketchy, such as Keith demonstrated above. Plus the rife inconsistencies. Plus an entire world of context that is just missing. AND mistranslations?! I’ll be honest, most of the Bible is not for me.
But I like that I don’t need any book. Love is love, and something deep in me comes alive when I witness it in others or experience it myself. I don’t care what you call it, but I know I want to move toward it like a plant to the sunlight, for the same reason. Book or no, the sun shines on all of us the same.
If you do not have the bible (and years of indoctrination) you would not know what Jesus preached. So how would you know Christ?
Steve Garrett •
Respectfully, Kieth, i disagree – it seems to me as if you’ve setup a false dichotomy between the person of Christ and his word; which he directly identifies with in John 14, in conversation with Thomas (popularly known as the doubter). He states that, “I am the way – the truth – & the life…” inpart directly identifying Himself with the truth of G-d’s word. And secondly Paul does the same in Romans 10:17, pointing us back to the word as source material for our faith.
Keith Giles / Steve Garrett •
I just re-read John 14 and found no reference whatsoever to the Bible. I think you may be reading into that chapter what you would like it to say.
Jesus says that he came to fulfill the Scriptures and now they are passing away. We don’t need them now that we have Christ living within us. The entire New Covenant is that everyone would know God personally and intimately. Now, because of Christ, we can all know God directly. No one needs to say, “Know the Lord” because all can know God through Christ.
Also, I really think you’re misunderstanding the “I am the way, truth and life” verse. He is the exact image of the Father and no one will come to know the Father except through knowing Christ. [And we don’t need a Bible to do that].
Christ is the cornerstone of our faith. Christ is the foundation that has been laid for our faith. Not the Bible. The Bible never claims to be our foundation, but in the Bible we hear that Christ is the foundation.
Steve Garrett •
Sounds like you are conflating the Word that God spoke to create everything, and the Bible. ALSO, Paul and John both predate the New Testament almost by definition. But this is not so respectfully…
John Campbell / Steve Garrett •
The Scriptures are not the end. ALL Scripture points to Jesus Christ.
“You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life…. the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. If you believed Moses, you would believe in Me; for he wrote of Me.” ( John 5)
Peter, in Acts 3:22-23, quoting Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15,19—“ and it shall be that every soul that does not heel that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from amoung the people.”